-Is it time we started treating these people more as a serious threat to our own national security? Now that one of these creeps has gone on a killing spree aimed at the Norwegian Labour Party, should we be looking at similar right-wing crazies in our own country? There are plenty of them and, like this Norwegian guy, they're always blaming immigrants and multiculturalism, but sometimes the enemy comes from within. Are our own similar bigots in the EDL, BNP, UKIP, etc. equally dangerous or are they simply the ignorant clowns we supposed them to be?Maybe people will realise it's extremism from whatever quarter that's the problem.You don't hear folk demanding Norwegian Christians apologise or bare part of the blame for this outrage yet they demand it of Muslims in general when Islamic fundamentalists strike.He was a nutjob who was a far right wing supporter, he could have had leanings towards the left and still been a nutjob. Theres plenty of left wing nutjob terrorist supporters in Britain, animal liberation front ring a bell? and the UAF as well.
In fact if you add them all up theres more threat from subversive left than the right. PETA anti-vivasectionists animal liberation front the UAF ANF and which left wing party do they support? the green party and the SWP. Just because somebody is anti-immigration doesn't make them nutjobs. You may as well lock up the majority of British people who are sick of immigration then.
unfortunate name? my real names Nigel i'm not really a psychopath, my mum would tell you that but unfortunately tied up at the minute with the freezer.
I suspect the motive was the left wing politics being promoted. He was a member of the opposition party.
However, he was mentally unstable, and clearly not able to comprehend that his violent tactics can only harm the ideas he wishes to promote. I think as more power is concentrated in the left, there will be more violence on the right as voices are silenced, violence comes out. That is the history of human nature.
The guy is obviously working undercover for the left and the NWO because that is who obviously gains through his actions. Nobody is stupid enough to believe that conservatism could be helped in any way by what he did.
Michael Savage is fairly close to the truth when he says that liberalism is a mental disorder and when you throw in a feeble attempt at cleverness you get Anders Behring Breivik.
well we have had the nail bomber in London a few years ago so i guess we in the uk have had our wake up call
you will never stop these kind of people from doing these things they are as your question suggests they are nuts and unpredictable, people that might hear there views just think they are talking rubbish
We assume that every terrorist who claims allegiance to a cause is an official spokesman and representative of a widespread opinion. No, this Norwegian is only representative of the world's evil, f*** up idiots
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1969306
Scapegoating. Nothing new under the sun. Hitler had the Jews. Nero had the Christians...
Anders Behring Breivik (a freemason)
Yep; right wing nutjob.
I suppose we can see more of this from the secular world concerning the rise of Islam and it's adherents. Pity, because terror only begets terror and both sides are committed to their idealisms.
The guy was Norwegian, white, far right Christian fundamentalist who snapped. Maybe it is time to lock up all far right Christian Fundamentalists?
Love your answer Unemployed Speed Camera. Oh, they make me so damn angry.
Fried Green Crack Baby - What are you on? Oh, right, I get it. That explains everything.
Gandhi has nailed this, with great research too.
despite the many thumbs down, his answer is by far the best and most thought provoking.
He is another Jared Loughner.
Interesting and what would your special new treatment involve exactly?
It's the Muslim terrorists who want to take over the world who are going on killing sprees in most cases.
Reichstag fire.
why bring the BNP into this? nothing to do with them
Western governments should start listening to the concerns of their own people and then incidents like this one could be avoided. It was only a matter of time before some right wing nuts took the course of action beyond peaceful protesting. We will see more of this in Europe from both sides, we've entered the stage the likes of Enoch Powell warned us about.
This was an appalling incident that happened but again it's our own governments that get involved in Islamic affairs abroad increasing an anti Western sentiment among Muslims and then flooding our countries with foreign immigrants decreasing the internal stability of our own nations. When we believed this incident was the work of Muslims as usual people were concerned about not tarring all Muslims with the same brush so lets not tar all anti multiculturalists with the same brush.
The tension all over Europe you could cut with a knife.
Edit: Thank you Captain Pugwash. I already posted this answer from my Red Spun Meth Baby account but got reported. Just telling it how it is and some people don't like that.
Edit: Unemployed speed camera - I'm declaring that multiculturalism is a failed experiment and this is where its got us. I'm very worried about bringing children into this world. Yesterday an insane man snapped and many more will. I like how you used the word 'Lebensraum' to indicate I'm some sort of mass murdering nazi sympathiser, very clever.
Syd: Let me ask you a question, would you be posting a similar question condemning the mosques, universities and The Muslim Council of Britain if this attack had in fact been perpetrated by Islamic extremists?
Well we'll just have to wait and see as another attack in the name of Allah is inevitable and I hope
you then you'll speak out against the danger of Islam in our society.
Hi Syd.
Here's an interesting thought about what has happened in Norway.
As everyone knows by now, there has been a horrific bomb attack in the Centre of Oslo, Norway and a shooting spree in a Norwegian summer camp.
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims.
1: Norway has endorsed Palestinian statehood.
See this:
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitic鈥?/a>
This:
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/鈥?/a>
and This:
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/534085鈥?/a>
Also, Norway has excluded Israeli investments.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/bus鈥?/a>
Norway鈥檚 450 billion euro oil-riches fund has excluded two Israeli firms involved in developing settlements ... on ethical grounds.
Indeed, Senator Lieberman has accused Norway of promoting anti-semitism:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/lieberman-ac鈥?/a>
Norway has also announced its plan to withdraw from the Libyan war:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/norw鈥?/a>
The summer camp where the shootings took place had just concluded a pro-Palestinian rally the day before:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js鈥?/a>
Now I don't know about you, but I find all this quite interesting.
Could all of this be just one big 'Coincidence'.
What has UKIP done wrong, I'm no supporter of UKIP or any other party, but what have they done wrong that warrants em to included with the likes of the BNP and EDL, its a political party that is mostly run by buffoons, and that's about the limits of their sins.
Just labelling political parties as nutjob terrorists because they have a particular political stance that you don't like is not a good enough reason to.
Believe it or believe it not there are a lot of people who say that immigration has for the last ten or fifteen years been to high and UKIP is just a political response to that.
In my opinion you want to be grateful for UKIP, because UKIP has successfully blunted much of the BNPs appeal, without UKIP the BNP would be a much greater threat than what they are now.
An image from yesterday's atrocity:
http://hurryupharry.org/wp-content/uploa鈥?/a>
I think its disgusting all of those users political point scoring and refuse to accept facts, also ignorant of the situation in Scandinavia, where the majority of these kinds of shootings and atrocities have been carried out by right-wing extremists. It was obvious from the very beginning to anyone with any kind of knowledge about the region, and with the ability of common sense reasoning with regards to the targets, that this attack was carried out by a right-wing extremist.
This was a meticulously planned attack, not the crazed expression of lunacy. He knew exactly what he was doing, Anders Breivik was in contact with the English Defence League:.
http://tinyurl.com/3ekqegs
When a few Muslims attack, it's an Islamic problem but otherwise, it's the work of an "insane person"? Why not take extreme right-wingers to task? Why not take fundamentalists Christians to task? The Norwegian spokespeople I've heard seem to want to tone down the political and religious aspect of this attack -- now that they know he isn't Muslim. This is what happens when the middle class panders to right wing values.
I will assume, for now, that they are in shock.
EDIT: @Fried Green Crack Baby: Are you declaring the death of nearly 100 children a predictable response to not having enough pure white lebensraum?
EDIT: "I'm declaring that multiculturalism is a failed experiment.." So the Independence of Scotland and Wales is a "failed experiment" according to you? You are part of this kind of problem.
There have been problems with far-right bigots here already. There was the nail bomber in London and last year in County Durham the police pinched a dad and his son for making sarin. No-one knows what they intended to do with the poison they created but luckily the authorities caught them before anything bad happened.
It's unfair to tar all right-wing bigots with the terrorist brush, though there is a certain justice to it because whenever Islamic extremists carry out anything horrific these bigots are all over sites like this claiming that all Muslims are up for terror.
Ignorant clowns they are but we've seen the horror of where their thinking can lead. I've answered several questions on here where EDL/BNP types have accused our Labour Party of intentionally turning a blind eye to sex abuse carried out by ethnic minorities. I've tried to find out why they think this but haven't had any evidence given to me in return, just told to do my own research or accused of being a Labour Party apparatchik, even though i'm not a member and havent voted for them in elections more times than I have.
The horror in Norway shows us why it's our civic duty to argue against their thinking with facts and reason. Of course for a sensible person the nazi talk on the interweb seems comical and ridiculous, it's not like these freaks are going to do well in elections anytime soon, but we should always remember that stunted, disturbed individuals might come across their bullhonk and think it true. Taking ten minutes a day to tell fascists on the internet why they're wrong seems like time well spent today.
Muslims are breathing sigh of relief and eleation
their methods have been endorsed by WHites and liberals
Madrasasa may have consevatives from western countries as students
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